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, politico's front page headline reads, fiscal cliff deal emerging. it hashes out the flame woframe agreement including $400 billion in cuts to entitlements. but how close are they really? depends on who you ask. >> what's going on between the decision makers is little to nothing. >> you can actually now see what the contours of the deal look like. >> i'm optimistic that we can continue to work together to overt this crisis and sooner rather than later. >> we will not negotiate the end of medicare. i don't know what it is with these republicans. >> it's safer if you're on the progressive end of the political spectrum to go over the fiscal cliff than it is to agree to some of the things they're talking about. >> ruth, where do you stand, deal or no deal? >> not who deal, but who are more pessimistic. the clock is really ticking. about ten legislative days left in the year. outlines are there but the willingness to do it and the ability to get it done in time, i'm more disappointed than i thought i would be at this point. on the other hand, this is the moment of posturing. so it could all come
will a fiscal cliff deal -- will paul ryan get blamed if he does, and marco rubio can he turn the party around with some push for immigration reform? risky with the base. >> it also is interesting in these kind of years where the republicans have now suffered a loss. clearly mitt romney is not going to be the party leader. they don't actually have one, and you watch the wilderness lap for a while. >> you know, candy, i hate to say this because i know we want to play along for 2016, but i think part of the problem in washington is everyone is so focused on the next election it's always an excuse not to get something done. i think the american people think we just went through an election. now please now that you all have jobs, could we actually solve problems and get something done? you know, 2016 will be here way too soon, and people, to your point, are already running for office on both sides, but honestly, i wish people would remember whatever party they're in, you got elected this time a month ago to do a job, and there's a big job to do. >> washington is so dysfunctional. only washington,
proposed in a fiscal cliff deal which the white house quickly rejected because it does not raise taxes on the wealthy but aims to get the money through cuts in deductions. senator jim demint denounced boehner's plan as a tax hike that will, quote, destroy american jobs and allow politicians in washington to spend even more. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell also distanced himself from the boehner plan declining to endorse it yesterday. >> we've wasted enormous amount of time here sparring back and forth in public, and it strikes me it's a good time to get serious about the proposals. so i have no other particular observation than i commend the house republican leadership for trying to move the process along and getting to a point where hopefully we can have a real discussion. >> but why is the the gop still hot on its desire to raise money through cuts and deductions rather than an actual increase in the top end tax rate? well, i think it's likely because the most ductions in states happen to be the higher blue states. in other words, the gop wants the states that largely reelecte
endorsed the fiscal cliff deal whether that would make any difference with a sorry. republicans don't really care what mitt romney thinks at this point. so i'm not sure if he has any pull that will make a difference after this meeting even if he and barack obama do become allies. >> do you have expectations? >> it may be a case of keep your trends close and your enemies closer. but at the end of the day, this was a tough race and these are two good men, good family men, great husbands and fathers and they may just want to mend the fences personally. but we also have to remember that mitt romney has a great record in the private sector. he did some things right in the race. he was a good fund-raiser, good debater and he also won among economy voters. so i would like to think the president will listen on mitt romney so some of his suggestions and include the private sector a bit more and engage in a good debate and take in some of these republican ideas of not just raising taxes, but also cutting spending. and i think if they do that, i think it will be a productive lunch. >> so we sh
to a f fiscal cliff deal. what's the latest and is this posturing, kelly, or is this real? i mean, is this disagreement about kind of laying out the stakes of where everybody stands and what they're willing to give or is it a possibility that we don't get a deal? >> reporter: well, you do hear rumblings, chris, about no deal. but at the same time people are saying there's still some negotiating time left and a bit of optimism. when you heard the tone of what was unfolding yesterday, it was kind of shocking to republicans who would say that the president's offer is so far from a negotiating point that they are surprised not so much that these are the positions that we're in because much has been the president's public rhetoric but in terms of real negotiating they say they were surprised this wasn't the kind of offer that would have happened some weeks ago, meaning right after the election if you want to start there. but now with just four weeks to go they felt the president needed to move further. democrats believe these are the priorities that voters reinforced with their ballots
fiscal cliff deals is incredible. >> and the sad part, for the american people who are watching from the outside, is they don't realize how much of this theater getting to the deal. we know we have to have -- boehner's going to have to talk tough because it seem likes he's holding firm and the white house is holding firm and the left groups are going to flip and right groups are going to flip and it's going to be this dance, and then we'll get to a deal somehow. if you're saying okay, am i -- are my taxes going up on the 1st or not? >> they are. >> they are, one way or the other. people in the country the way they pay for christmas, focus groups heard this over and over, take out a loan to buy presents, against what they think they'll get back in tax returns to pay back that loan. for those people, all of this dance, we joke, and it is funny and ridiculously childish and high school, maybe junior high, it's scary for people on outside saying -- >> the personal approval rating is 9%, up to 11% now. >> let's also keep in mind, optics are part of this. person who has all of the leverage
sides seem to be standing firm over what they want out of the fiscal cliff deal this morning. this is what house speaker john boehner said about the state of the negotiations. take a listen. >> i think they're -- they won the election, they must have forgotten the republicans continue to hold the majority in the house. but you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is -- roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground and we need to find it quickly. >> governor, are they going to be able to find that common ground quickly? >> yeah, i think they are. you know i have to laugh. in the first term, the president was criticized by his base for giving in too quickly or too easily. this is a negotiation. and in the negotiation, you don't put on the table initially where you want to wind up. you put out what's your bargaining position and both sides have to understand that. but what i do think is important, is both sides, and not just the president, but our democrats in the congress as well. have to understand both sides have to understand what the other side needs to
the scenes of the talks to avoid the fiscal cliff. it seems the framework for a deal actually might be taking shape. if so, what will it look like? david drucker has been nosing around a little bit. the associate politics editor at "roll call." when you hear senators and speaker of the house come out and talk it doesn't sound like they're all that close, david. are you optimistic? >> well i'm sort of on the fence here, jon. whenever you hear members of congress talk about any kind of fiscal cliff deal you have to approach it with a sort of believe everything and believe nothing attitude. i think that everybody wants to avoid having taxes go up for all americans as of january 1st but everybody has a price for that. and it, to me, it's about whether or not both sides are looking for a win-win deal, meaning, my opponent wins and i win. or whether both sides or one of the sides are looking for a deal where only i win and you lose and on top of all of that then we have to look at what do they want to include in any sort of deal? are we going to address entitlement reform? are we going to cut spend
and go to the fiscal cliff. how much harder does that make it to reach. a deal? >> it really doesn't make it anymore difficult. we're see egg the usual choreography of negotiations where the parties start o out with their opening positions. what the speaker doesn't like is he's in a weak position on this it issue. he needs to have a heart to heart discussion with his conference and say, look, we lost the election. we lost on this issue. the american people are not with us on this issue. they think those who have done well can be asked to do more. we're going to have to give. the thaj for the president is to know how much he needs to give to the speaker to allow the speaker to sell that to his own conference. >> i have to bet all of you watching have ideas on where the middle ground lies. do you have a position on that? do you see it? >> i have certainly some idea of where the compromise could be. the president has set a target for how much new revenue he wants. you can get a lot of that by raising the rates above $250. if there was additional eliminations, you can get to the same number a
@5:30. >> he is definitely a hero for sure. >> the fear in fiscal cliff. there is no deal in sight and both sides showing no signs of budging. doug luzader is live with us with details. have they reached a deal overnight? did that happen? >> nothing yet. despite early optimism they might reach a deal before the end of the year there are some that think we will head over at the end of the year. the economy could enter the year into another recession. the white house took great care to make sure the president was barely seen as he headed out for a big golf outing. the clock meanwhile keeps ticking an the point man the president's point man in fiscal cliff negotiations took to five sunday talk shows to make the administration's case. >>> we think that's a very good set of proposals that's what is good for the economy. if they have got different suggestions twhaent to go further in some areas they should lay it out to us. >> the president's plan called for $1.6 trillion in new taxes over the next decade mostly with the wealthy. those would be sure. less sure the promised spending cuts republica
fiscal cliff deal through the senate, and also through the house, they say they hope that he's coming with concrete spending cut ideas that are acceptable to the administration. one of the meetings today will be with senate republican leader mitch mcconnell who a short time ago sounded pretty fired up. >> the only reason democrats are insisting on raising rates is because raising rates on the so-called rich is the holy grail of liberalism. their aim is not job he tkraoe asian, they are interested in wealth destruction. not job creation but wealth destruction. >> reporter: a short time ago vice president biden was out and about and he told reporters that he is optimistic about the overall fiscal cliff talks, martha. martha: we'll see. the way they speak publicly there doesn't seem to be a lot of budging on either side. we know there were pretty high profile white house meetings, but those conversations, not happening publicly right now, but are they going on behind closed doors do we think? >> reporter: we know president obama and speaker john boehner had a phone conversation last nigh
of getting the fiscal cliff deal done before everyone's taxes go up. >> consolation lunch? president obama visits mitt romney to the white house today and everyone is buzzing about it. could obama offer him a job? >> congratulations to someone. you just won the gdp of a small nation. not just one but two winning tickets in last night's record powerball drawing. we'll tell you where. >> and if they will be my best friend soon. we have a packed show. john ba, rasso, adam shif, rick warren, tom cole, connie and mary bono mack and steven holcomb. >> we have so many people coming up. it is thursday, november 2. "starting point" begins right now. >>> good morning, everyone. our starting point this morning, developments happening now in cairo. the u.s. embassy there is closed. no one is being allowed in or out as we speak. >> embassy officials say protesters are blocking the entrance and clashes are happening near nearby. reza sayah is nearby for us. what's happening? >> reporter: there is no indication protesters are targeting the u.s. em wibassy b it was closed as a precaution. these are protes
both hint that a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff is on the way. possibly in time for santa. i asked republican john cornyn whether he thinks that is a reality. >>> and governor romney sits down with the president since the election, actually since the debates. does this do either of them any good? rick santorum is out front. and julian assange is out front to answer critics and our questions tonight. let's go "out front." >>> good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett, outfront tonight, an early christmas miracle. or at least the glimmer of one today. barack obama bringing glad ti tidings of great joy to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> i will go anywhere and do anything it takes to get this done. it's too important for washington to screw this up. >> and john boehner, not to be outdone, put a little early present under the tree too. >> i'm optimistic that we can continue to work together to avert this crisis and sooner rather than later. >> these are pretty glum faces to deliver those presents. no smile from either one of them. but investors didn't care, they're excited about the present,
the fiscal cliff? but the g.o.p. is not so keen on a deal, at least the one the white house presented yesterday. the first offer from president obama and treasury secretary timothy geithner included a $1.6 trillion tax increase along with an extension of the payroll answer it cut and unemployment insurance and a request for $50,000,000,000 worth of stimulus spending next year. now, it doesn't promise $400,000,000,000 worth of spending cuts but congressional republicans call the deal unbalanced and unreasonable and saying there is not enough spending cuts and reforms. the one good piece of -- piece of good news to the white house on this is it shows president obama is opening strong not conceding. we will be right back. arguments to feel confident in their positions. i want them to have the data and i want them to have the passion. but it's also about telling them, you're put on this planet for something more. i want this show to have an impact beyond just informing. an impact that gets people to take action themselves. as a human being, that's really important.
agreement on one thing. they are nowhere near a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. peter doocy is life in washington with more. >> republicans have had their proposal to avoid the fiscal cliff complete with 800 billion of new revenue over a decade on the table for more than a day now. it has yet to be publicly embraced by the slightest bit by any prominent democrats. because of that gop lawmakers are saying that means the white house wants to go over the fiscal cliff to make it a point. >> howard dean said it patti murray who ran the senator ideal committee. i think the presidency is a political victory for his party as they go over the cliff. i know republicans are concerned there is going to be a secondary session. >> the white house proposal raises taxes 1.6 trillion over a decade. republicans close loopholes and get rid of deductions. they say the mast won't work. >>> it is still out of balance. it is 800 million worth of revenues. he said he is going to do that by lowering rates. when you look at the map it doesn't work. >> the house majority with kevin mccarthy said yeste
street. the market interpreted positive statements on a potential deal on the fiscal cliff by house speaker and rebounded from what had been a 112-point slide after the morning's opening bell. the dow jones industrials reversed, as i said, on the speaker's positive remarks and finished the session up 107 points. s&p up 11, nasdaq gained 24. all ten s&p 500 sectors moved higher on the day. that is the first time it has happened since october 4th. retailers drove the consumer discretionary sector energy industrials lead in the wake, and the rally started just minutes before house speaker made it clear that republicans are willing to deal on revenue and ready to find a resolution now >> we all know that we have had this spending crisis coming at like a eight train. it mst be dealt with. and in order to try to come to an agreement, republicans are willing to put revenue on the table, but it is time for the president and democrats to get serious about the spending problem that our country has. i am optimistic that we can continue to work together to avert this crisis sooner rather than l
on spending cuts within the budget plan to be included in the fiscal cliff talks. >> can you also look in the camera and say dear democrats, both for and include some of the spending cuts in this deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. because that's not what they're doing right now. should they include this? >> yes, and i know that democrats except that this has to be a balanced package that includes revenues and cuts and spending cuts. >> yet months ago, that ws voted down 99 to zero. earlier this week, the number two democrat in the senate, dick durbin, insisted maj spending cuts and entitlement reform will not be part of these talks. nancy pelosi has been noncommittal about whether cuts will be in the deal. still, they are trying to breathe into the talks with vice present biden shopping avenue costco in washington, picking up a big-screen tv and an apple pie and insisting he is optimistic of the deal. >> i am. all these folks in the store. they are ing to make a difference. reporter: a phone call last night betwee speaker boehner and the president was very curt. it signaled that the presi
. let's get to the fiscal cliff. the president set the deal, over the next decade. are there specific ways of reaching that figure that both of you might agree on? >> well, you know, i think one compromise i agree with the democrats on, we need to cut the military spending. so i think the compromise, the conservatives like myself that think the national defense is important, should compromise on the military spending, and liberals should compromise on the welfare. >> and both sides are going to have to compromise on this, beyond defense spending is there any other compromise that you could see you supporting? >> well, it mostly has to be to me on the spending side. we used to spend about 20% of gdp, we're now spending 25% of gdp. so federal spending has gone up in an alarming rate in the last four years. and when people come to me and say oh, we just have to raise taxes on rich people. one, there is not enough money. and two, you often find when you raise rates you get less revenue. and sometimes you find when you lower rates you get more revenue. >> what do you make of your fellow re
of this fiscal cliff deal. that includes house democrats. and how do i go about doing that without totally alienating the base of my party? and i'm very curious to see what his next step is because his opening offer was essentially where he said he could only go in the debt ceiling bargains of july 2011. he said i can go to $800 billion in revenue, i can do these specific entitlement reforms. that's now his opening offer. where does he go here? >> i think, though, steve that the president of the united states and mr. lew and other democrats need to start looking at him differently. he is like an attorney that knows what his client is going to give and what his client's not going to give. we all know john boehner. john boehner's a deal maker. i didn't -- i liked him personally, but i never trusted him in congress because, you know, he liked making deals. that's what we need right now. the president can only push him so far. or he loses his caucus. and this is not about john boehner kicking and screaming. this is about him knowing what he can deliver. >> i understand that. john boehner has,
the president's proposal last week to avoid the fiscal cliff, john boehner today put out his own terms for a deal. which he says adds up to $2.2 trillion in savings. boehner's deal includes $800 billion in savings from tax reform from closing special interest loopholes and deductions. $600 billion in so-called health savings, which includes changes to medicare. 300 billion other mandatory savings. 300 billion in further discretionary savings. the white house swiftly shot it down. until the republicans in congress are willing to get serious about asking the wealthiest to pay slightly higher tax rates, we won't be able to achieve a significant balanced approach. >> a man who's been called one of the keys to reaching a real deal. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> let's begin with this letter that comes -- is addressed to the president and comes from the majority leader, boehner. in this letter, he sort of lays out part of his plan. what do you think of his plan as we've laid out so far, and in the specifics this letter. >> i think the first thing i've heard you say, the white house is re
at this with a great deal of optimism. >> i think we're going over the fiscal cliff. it's pretty clear that they have made this happen. they are not saving social security and medicare and medicaid from imminent bankruptcy. jenna: james is live in washington with more. reporter: yes, what is clear is increasingly, the two sides -- the obama, white house, senate democrats on one side, senate republicans on the other, there is a ticking clock involved here. they should be hitting their stride right about now. timothy geithner is trying to avoid plunging of the fiscal cliff. he has made clear that the obama administration is saying that the first order of business has to be to extend tax breaks for middle-class families and raise tax rates for the top 2% of income earners. talks over how to rein in entitlement spending should be held sometime next year. >> the president is asking for $1.6 trillion of new revenue over 10 years. twice as much as he has been asking for the public. his stimulus spending exceeded the amount of new cuts that he was willing to consider. it was not a serious offer. reporter: en
. >> this gets to being able to walk and chew gum at the same time, being able to deal with the fiscal cliff but also potential chemical weapon crises in syria. if the whitehouse wasn't concerned the president wouldn't have gone out and delivered that speech earlier this week. >> rose: finally there's this thing that he has to continue with. he's got a new administration coming up in january. we're now in december. who is handling that transition, who is setting up the process of selecting a new secretary of state, a new secretary of defense, a new chief of staff, a new head of the cia? >> so peat rauss is a deputy chief of staff senior advisers, he's playing a central role on all of this. based on our reporting it look like what the president is going to do is first announce his security team and that could come as early as next week so he would be announcing at the same time secretary of state, defense secretary, cia among the names. it's not super news but state senator john kerry, un ambassador susan rice. i asked the president whether or not he felt the republican criticisms and attack
with politic. less than a month remains for lawmaker to reach a deal before the fiscal cliff deadline. the whitehouse open sists tax rates must rise on higher incomes in order to balance spending cuts but republican leadership remains committed to extending the bush tax cuts for all a tax bracket. brainer offer his response to the president. in an interview with julianna goldman of bloomberg news obama called the boehner plan quote out of balance. >> i think that we have the potential of getting a deal done, but it's going to require what i talked about during the campaign which is a balanced responsible approach to deficit reduction that can help give businesses certainty and make sure that the country grows. and unfortunately the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. he talks for example about $800 billion worth of revenues but he says he's going to do that by lowering rates. when you look at the math, it doesn't work. >> rose: and here is the president talking about why it's essential for him that there be tax increases for the most wealthy among us. >> i don't thi
. >>> deal or no deal. we're on the edge of our seats. washington, the fiscal cliff suspense is killing us. 29 days in counting until our taxes go up and across the board spending cuts. we still don't know any of the details. instead we're getting lots of mixed messages as to what exactly is going to happen, where things stand. >> there has been progress. >> right now i would say we're nowhere. >> i'm increasingly pessimistic. >> so tonight, two men who have lots of experience dealing with lawmakers. paul begala, david frum, former adviser to president george w. bush. gentlemen, nice to have you both. david, let's start with you. depending on who you listen to, it's either going great or not going well at all. they're either optimistic or completely pessimistic. which is it? >> i feel about this whole process as a basketball nonfan, i feel about basketball, which is start it 100-100 and play for five minutes to get it over with. but i think we also need to take a step back and realize just how lunatic this whole process is. what the united states does not need right now is either spending
of a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff by christmas. president obama says he would like congress to pass a bill even sooner to extend tax cuts for the middle class families. and he invited some of those middle class americans to the white house today to help make his case. >> i have got a pen. [ laughter ] i'm ready to sign it. [ applause ] so, my point here today is is to say let's approach this problem with the middle class in mind. the folks who are behind me and the millions of people all across the country who they represent. >> shepard: well, republicans are saying they need some spending cuts. that they will also have to be part of the deal. and they are accusing the president of campaigning instead of negotiating. >> i mean, every week he spends campaigning for his ideas is a week that we are not solving the problem. it's completely counter productive. the election is over. he won. congratulations. and we have got a hard deadline here, however, and it's still he he is still out on the campaign trail, kind of celebrating. >> shepard: if the president and congress cannot cu
and we're going to go over the fiscal cliff. he doesn't think a deal gets done. where do you put the odds at this point? >> well, you know, it's a great question. i give it about a 40% chance we could pass something of some magnitude. not a grand plan, but some magnitude. keep in mind again, you know, people call it a fiscal cliff. when you go off a cliff you usually die. my view is there are challenges in front of us. we've had them before. this is pretty significant. but we have a plan in place. no one really likes it, but at the end of the day come january, these things start to happen. the deficit gets a reduction because the tax cuts go away, the budget cuts go into play. the question is are we going to have the wherewithal to give some long-term certainty to the market so they don't have this up and down action of congress. after four years in congress i have to tell you it's one of the most disturbing thing i've seen, the lack of foresite of looking two, three, four, five years down the road. everyone plays to the next week. give it about a 40% chance of some element. the big quest
, but they are expected to discuss strategies for dealing with the fiscal cliff. tim ' ner, the chief fiscal cliff negotiator meets today with congressional leaders to get the negotiations moving. >>> while you were sleeping lindsay lohan was arrested -- again. the new york city police department took her in after a fight at a club here in the city. officers say there is a possibility lohan hit a woman. they didn't confirm if she's being charged with anything at this point. >> lindsay lohan, club, 4:00 a.m., new york, bad combination. >>> anything can happen on the streets of new york city including a pony and a zebra running free on staten island. they escaped from the pen in the yard where they live but they were returned to the owner. >> is the zebra chasing the pony? >> looks like it. >>. >>> the new york times reporting on an officer who's a hero. he's kneeling down to put a new pair of boots on a homeless man. the 25-year-old officer purchased them at a nearby shoe store after noticing that the man was barefoot and was blistering. a woman from arizona snapped this photo with her cell phone c
and knowing they will be blamed if we go over that fiscal cliff. that's ahead. and you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. >>> back to "hardball." let's take making a deal here. for all those at home who want to see republicans and democrats work together to avoid the fiscal cliff, we can bring you two lawmakers who are open to cutting a deal before the end of the year. with me are members from both sides of the aisle, u.s. congressman lee terry, a republican from nebraska, and u.s. congressman jerry connolly, a democrat from nearby southern virginia. but first, i want to start with you. you told the "omaha world herald" this about republicans, we're screwed either way. we have no leverage in these discussions. congressman, what did you mean by that? >> what i mean by that is that the president wants us to take a tax vote before he's willing to talk about anything else cutting or reforming, and republicans just aren't going to do that. so what he's doing is setting us up to be the fall people for going over the fiscal cliff. frankly, going over the fiscal cliff is a win for the p
day closer today to automatic tax hikes and spending cuts, the so-called "fiscal cliff". the president took to the road, while republicans warned there's a deadlock in efforts to reach a deficit deal. >> now, of course, santa delivers everywhere. i've been keeping my own naughty and nice lists for washington. >> warner: the president chose a seasonal setting, a toy factory in hatfield, pennsylvania, and holiday imagery to press again for extending tax cuts for the middle class. >> if congress does nothing, every family in america will see their income taxes automatically go up on january 1. i mean, i... i'm assuming that doesn't sound too good to you. >> no. >> that's sort of like the lump of coal you get for christmas. that's a scrooge christmas. >> warner: in washington, republicans portrayed the road trip as so much humbug, at a time, they said, when negotiations are going nowhere. >> there's a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. >> warner: house speaker john boehner said republicans remain willing to raise revenues, but not by raising tax rates. and he charged the white house isn't
known as the fiscal cliff. neither side has been very willing to really deal with the nuts and bolts, the reality of tax rates, reality of spending cuts, the reality of tax reform. that's really what next year's going to be all about. right now i just don't see -- i mean, can we just get real here? we're talking five weeks tops before the end of this lame-duck session, end of the year. and these guys are going to get done in five weeks what they haven't been able to do in five months? >> here's the thing. >> we'll do it when it comes to the cliff. >> yeah, we have a deadline. >> look at human behavior for a second. the next five weeks is the chance for everybody. would would they ever be incentivized to make a deal before they have to? look at behavior. and behavior common sense tells you it's going to happen, but it's not going to happen soon. >> i understand that scenario. i spent 30 years doing deals. i know how deals work, midnight, back room, the clock is ticking. two things to remember. this is not like buying a car. this is a complicated deal. it's got so many moving pieces. y
in this deal to avoid the fiscal cliff? because that's not what they are doing. should they include those? >> yes. and i know that democrats accept that there -- this has to be a balanced package that includes revenues and cuts and spending cuts. >> reporter: so news the white house is saying different from yesterday that spending cuts should be part of these fiscal cliff talks. where it may break down on the part about whether the president will push democrats on capitol hill to go along. it was tuesday that dick durbin said spending cuts, medicare cuts, ets, should not be part of these fiscal cliff cuts. we'll see whether durbin and others on the hill go along with what jay carney is saying. we'll see if that improves the possibility of a deal. megyn: we have 33 democratic lawmakers saying we are not touching social security now or for the future. this jackhammer is really rude. >> reporter: the cuts are being made as we speak. it's hard to cut the government. megyn: alert frank, the two guys features in your first report. someone else came to the white house hat must have been an extra
president bill clinton. the guy with whom he will have to make a deal to end the standoff on the fiscal cliff house speaker john boehner requested time on fox news to publicly declare the president's opening bid a nonstarter. >> i was flabbergasted. we're nowhere. >> treasury secretary tim geithner did the full ginsberg with taped appearances on all five shows. nothing will happen until budget tax rates and the ball is now in their court. >> the only thing that stands in the way of a deal right now is if a group of republican members decide there have been a block because they can't afford the wealthiest 2% of americans. >> how much is theater and how much are the two sides locked into positions that remain far apart? the president's plan called for higher tax rates on the wealthiest americans to the tune of $1.6 trillion over ten years along with the combination of new spending and some spending cuts. mitch mcconnell said he, quote, burst into laughter. still, the white house is making it clear until the republicans counteroffer. >> we didn't say how or how much or who should pay. >> t
him in pressuring congress to get something done, to get a deal done on the fiscal cliff. >> it'll be interesting to see whether any of the republicans take any wisdom from the example of thaddeus stevens and his willingness to compromise some of his more radical positions in order to get the 13th amendment passed. >> one can only hope. >> we're going to be watching for you, you're co-hosting "the sick cycle" at 3:00. >> kornacki, get well quick. >>> that does it for us. for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." >>> coming up in our next hour, we have the very latest on the fiscal cliff negotiations including new reaction from speaker boehner and senate majority leader reid after their meetings with secretary geithner on capitol hill today. >>> plus, a live report from the white house on president obama and mitt romney's lunch meeting in the private residence. >>> we are following developing news. former president george h.w. bush has been hospitalized. we'll update you on his condition. >>> plus, we are just now an hour away from an historic u.n. vote on the palestinian's
to strike a deal before the end of the year on reducing the national debt to avoid that fiscal cliff. republican aid describe the tentative white house proposal this way. $1.6 trillion in revenue presented by secretary treasury secretary timothy geithner and stimulus and $400 billion in medicare and other entitlement savings. a permanent increase in the debt limit. >> so, let's get more on the standoff right now. joining us senator bernie sanders of vermont. he caucuses with the democrats. senator, first of all, congratulations on your re-election. thanks for coming in. republicans say, you know what, they'll be flexible, but the democrats have to be flexible, too, especially when it comes to entitlement spending. medicare, medicaid and even reform. are you open to any of that? >> when republicans talk about being flexible, we have not heard one definitive word to what they mean. second of all, our republican friends look up and understand that this issue of the fiscal cliff was debated during the election and, you know what, mitt romney lost. obama won. the american people are very
. >> republicans offered a plan to avoid the fiscal cliff through significant spending cuts. >> we put revenue on the table as long as it's accompanied serious spending cuts to avert the crisis. >> the bipartisan bowl deficit plan had savings worth pursuing. >> they identified $1.1 trillion tax expenditures, benefits, deductions, credits and the like that could be cut as part of a grand bargain. i think we ought to look at that flat ten the code simplify it. >> harry reid told reporters yesterday he would like to get credit for what congress has previously cut. >> we have already done more than a billion dollars worth of cuts. >> the top democrat in the house took a similar approach. >> it is important to know that we have already agreed to over a trillion and a half dollars in cuts at both budget control and others in this session of congress. so now we are looking to see if we can do that. >> though asked what she would be willing to slash as part of this deal rank and file house members say they realize more must be done now. >> we get a senfolks making a mn dollars a year maybe they aren't
it will be the democrats. >> it could be. depending on what happens. if they keep posturing we can go off the fiscal cliff it won't be such a big deal i don't think that's where most democrats will end up. you they are president and a lot of people down in washington saying they don't want to go off the fiscal cliff. as far as grover norquist notices, i don't think republicans should be caving to a special interest of one, frankly. we do see some brave republicans coming out there and they should be supported because they are about finding a solution. >> i want to show this tomb the president playing golf with former president bill clinton. how much do you think fiscal cliff was coming up during their golf rounds? >> i'm sure they talked about it because president clinton is a political wonk. what bill clinton showed during his presidency is that there's a way to show common ground with republicans who hate you. they impeached bill clinton but made a deal. they made a deal that was nor the right of where most democrats are. this president has a unique opportunity to make a deal for more towards his left.
the impact of a tax increase for 98% of americans if a deal the on the fiscal cliff is not reefed. while negotiations appear to be at a standstill, we know president obama and house speaker john boehner finally spoke by phone yesterday. the first conversation in a week. we don't know what they talked about or how long they spoke, because both men agreed to keep details of the conversation between the two of them. meanti meantime, democrats are digging in heels saying no deem if republicans refuse to let go of tax cuts for the wealthy. >> it's really time for republicans to face reality. i would hope the house of representatives would look closely at what's going on with senators coming out saying please, mr. speaker, do something about protecting the middle class. >>
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